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HELEN_IN_TORONTO
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Flipping a new construction house or townhouse- how to make it work?

Hello!

I am thinking about buying a new (from the builder) condo townhouse at pre-construction prices.

I am interested in ideas as to how to make it work financially. The price will be, with upgrades, $333,000. If I don't move into it or lease it out for a year, then I have to pay HST. This is a big expenses of $43.2K.

Is there any way to make this work? I figure that after the Closing Date, I could sell it for at least $432,000. But then, I also have to pay Capital Gains Tax.

Any suggestions?
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JOEY RAGONA
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Hi there Helen, I would recommend staying away from this sort of 'hope & pray' strategy. Many times novice investors get caught up in the "HGTV" of investing and flipping with their pants down.

Any way you look at it, you MUST understand the market your buying in and the worst case scenario. So, if you decide to do this, make sure it would "rent" for an amount that carries the property after ALL expenses including property management (even if you're doing it yourself), maintenance, vacancy rate, mortgage, taxes, insurance.

The PROBLEM with most pre-construction is that you have no validated data that tells you what the property WOULD rent for.

Basically this is a speculative investment and it's based only on an emotional 'buy' , feeling and maybe convincing information someone else (such as a salesman) said.


 
 
 
JOEY RAGONA
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By the way Helen, when I began investing in 2005, my idea was the same because I live in an area that BOOMED ... over 200k increases in a few years so I ran numbers for months figuring I could flip a new construction home in my area. I then attended REIN which basically saved my ass because I was ready to drop a million dollars (after upgrades) on ONE speculative property.

In hindsight, the property SAT for almost 12 months until a realtor bought it to rent. Well, can you imagine what the rent would be for that? I'll give you a hint based on the 700k 'sticker' price - it's just under $5,000 per month to make it cash flow.

That said, I'm sure it was hard to rent because it went back up for sale within 6 months of having it. The prices DID not jump the way they did prior and after selling expenses, I'm unsure all that worry, anxiety and stress was worth it. But that's my perception.

For myself, I took that 'million' and spread it over multiple properties in areas that are growing above the national average. so all my eggs are NOT in one basket.

to me, that's a sophisticated, less chaotic strategy and I can tell you that I sleep WELL at night.
 
 
HELEN_IN_TORONTO
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Hi Joey: All good points and caveats. I appreciate your comments. Thank you.
 
 
JOEY RAGONA
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Any time Helen,  Let me know if I can be of any assistance - I just hate seeing people get into the same traps with major mistakes I've made ... with Real Estate and Financial Industry stuff.
 
 
CLIFF PESKIN
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I agree with @Joey Ragona and would just add two points:

1. Ideally, you want to get around a 5% net return in rental income on the unit (plus or minus a percentage point dependent on location, expected appreciation, etc.)
2. You can determine what you should get in rent by just looking at some comparables - speak to an agent, look at what nearby similar homes are renting for, etc. 

In summary, buying this home with plans to flip it upon completion is risky, and I'd argue that its a better investment to buy it, rent it out and hold onto it.
 
 
JOEY RAGONA
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Any time Helen,  Let me know if I can be of any assistance - I just hate seeing people get into the same traps with major mistakes I've made ... with Real Estate and Financial Industry stuff.
 
 
JOEY RAGONA
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You're right @Cliff Peskin, every one has their 'boundaries' in what they want as a return, some buy to actually TAKE the cash flow every month & some, like me do not. With my JV partners, we are buying for foundational wealth and after all the expenses, we are averaging 15% based on a conservative 3% growth rate and ZERO cash flow (assumptions) :)

Comparables, and all due diligence is completely necessary and it separates the sophisticated investor from the novices.  KUDOS
 
 
HELEN_IN_TORONTO
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Hi: Good points Joey and Cliff. The flipping is costly, if it's not one's principal residence. You have to pay HST, plus Cap. Gains Tax. . As I understand the rules, if it's rented out for a min. of a year, you can get a rebate on the HST.

There are significant closing costs (lawyer, far too many Adjustments from the builder, hook-up fees for utilities, etc.)

And then, there's the Interim Occupancy fee, otherwise known as "rent" you have to pay to the builder until the project becomes as registered condo corp. This may go on for several months.

Joey: Getting 15% is very good.

Any words of advice as to how a very small investor can start?
Is it worth joining and attending REIN meeyings?

Regards,
 
 
YOSSI KAPLAN
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Helen: how do you know this: " I could sell it for at least $432,000 "

my advise, do your market research and understand the costs involved before jumping in. We see many buyers who do not and have a problem later on, especially these days.

good luck!

 
 
HELEN_IN_TORONTO
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Hi Yossi: You're right, I don't KNOW this. This is my expectaion. Thanks for the comment. The lesson is: do your homework.

Regards,
 
 
 
 
 

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