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MOO STASH
BabbleBee
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What's better: Subways or LRTs??

I am confused. I always thought that subways (while more expensive) are the ultimate form of urban-transportation. I always thought that LRTs were a band-aid solutions.

I am not a "transit guy", so I don't really have any basis for the above mentioned.

Does anyone know anything about transit? Why is going towards LRT such a big win for Toronto?
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MATTHEW SLUTSKY
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I am not a transit-person, and I have never studied this stuff.
From my understanding, LRTs are smaller and slower than subways.
It seems to me that subways are better in more dense areas, whereas LRTs are preferable in less dense areas (due to costs associated with subways).
Are LRTs are short term solution? Will densities build up along the lines and eventually require subways? Will LRT be a pain due to narrowing of streets? I have no clue. Would love an expert opinion.
 
 
RYAN MCGOVERN
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reply 289 vote 37
 
 
In Toronto's case (and the rest of the world that is abandoning subway lines), LRT is the way to go. In the case of Sheppard and most of the other arterial roads in the suburbs (Finch, Jane), it is much more cost effective and efficient to run LRT instead of subways.
There was an article in The Star today about the TTC's report on the Sheppard line. Basically, when the plan was made as far back the the 1980s, it was thought that Sheppard is going to have much more mixed use space (commercial and residential). Now it is mostly condos that are going up, and the area does not have the density or the commercial space to support subways.
Every "advanced" or "world class city" in the world is now running LRT technology as well, and many in cold climates (ex. Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa). So the fears that it is a glorified King St. streetcar that will lead to backups and pain are mostly unfounded (although when constructed, it will lead to delays because of the right-of-way).
Ideally, everyone would prefer subways. However, there is no money for them right now, and it would be foolish to piss away a reserve of money for one part of the cities' benefit while the rest of the 'burbs suffer with inadequate bus service.
 
 
BRIAN PERSAUD
BabbleBee
reply 274 vote 12
 
 
subways are obviously better, but much more expensive. It's kinda like comparing a Ferrari and a civic, Ferrari is better, but if you don't have the money and you need to get around...you gotta buy the civic
 
 
CLIFF PESKIN
BabbleBee
reply 286 vote 14
 
 
The ONLY reason Light Rail Transit is a decent option right now is that in 10 years time fully automated cars, trucks and buses (driven by computers) will have totally transformed transportation and reduced traffic.
If that were not the case, Light Rail Transit would be a terrible idea because a denser Toronto mixed with current day vehicles, LRTs, and scarce subway lines, is obviously a path to disaster.
Just look at New York City - if the subway there were replaced with a street level LRT system, the city would shut down or explode.
 
 
 
 
 

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