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MATTHEW SLUTSKY
BuzzStaff
reply 1969 vote 68
 

Wow.. will Trump be the fourth largest tower in Toronto??

Thanks to SkyscraperPage for this partial picture.

I had no clue that Trump Tower was going to be the fourth tallest building in Toronto, taller than Scotia Plaza.



BUT, is this really true?? It is only that tall because of it's silly spire. Looks to me like Scotia and Aura are ACTUALLY taller.
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MARCO DIFOTI
BabbleBee
reply 476 vote 12
 
 
@Matthew. No. Those silly spires should not count towards hight. They are silly. End of story.
Do you measure the height of someone with their shoes and hat on, or bare foot to skull? The latter of the two. Buildings should be the same way.
 
 
BRIAN PERSAUD
BabbleBee
reply 274 vote 12
 
 
Those silly spires added 315 ft to the CN tower. Gotta take the good with the bad.
In any case, goes to show you how buildings over 300m are in North America. According to the city plan, Toronto would only allow for a super-tall building it if it was commercial or a hotel or if it residential was on Bay St...and the last major parking lot at Bay/Dundas is already being developed as a rental. Besides do we really have a market for those buildings?
According the money guys: No
Canadian construction financiers are very conservative and small, most would not risk investing over a billion dollars on a mega skyscraper in Toronto. A perfect example of this is Aura. At Aura,canderel stoneridge had to create two condo corporations, the lower floors would register and pay off part of the buildings construction loan in order to get financing to build the remaining. Giving occupancy to a building like that is definitely precedent setting in this city.
 
 
MARCO DIFOTI
BabbleBee
reply 476 vote 12
 
 
If Aura could just push a little bit more, it could be over 300 metres (984.3 feet). Maybe a third condo corporation! If Trump just made their spire a little taller, it would also be a 300 metre building. Push! Push! Push!
@Brian: Is Trump doing the same to get financing?
 
 
MOO STASH
BabbleBee
reply 277 vote 10
 
 
I used to think that the spire made sense to count, because in fact it is attached to the building. However, now looking at that image, I find it insane that Commerce Court would be considered taller than Scotia Plaza.
 
 
BRIAN ELIZABETH
Buzzer
reply 157 vote 7
 
 
Anyone who can see will be able to tell what the actual tallest buildings are, unless they are looking at some silly diagram like the above.
I did not buy at Trump, although if I did there is no chance that I would be saying that my building is taller than Aura. No chance. People will be able to look out their window (from Aura) and see!
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
BuzzStaff
reply 1969 vote 68
 
 
I am not a technical person at all, just found the diagram interesting.
However, at closer look at the diagram, I also noticed that it said:
- Trump (roof): 843ft
- Aura (roof): 797ft
Just interesting to note! Looks like Aura does a better job at building their "spire" into the building. Aura sure looks bigger from the image!
 
 
DUMITRU
Buzzer
reply 35 vote 3
 
 
Spires are always an area with shades of grey. In this case I can't for the life of me believe that skyscraperpage would rank Trump and Commerce Court as higher than ScotiaPlaza or the yet unfinished Aura. Personally, I only count spires towards the height of a building if they are such an integral part of the overall design that without it the building would look obviously incomplete...Chrysler Building as an example. CN Tower as well, although it's not really an inhabited building so I view it in a category of its own aside from the others. 
So on the topic of Trump, although we haven't seen the finished product yet, the render hasn't convinced me that the spire is just such an important piece of the building that I should think of it as any taller than the rest of its flat roof.
 
 
DUMITRU
Buzzer
reply 35 vote 3
 
 
@Matthew Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't even notice that about Aura. I suppose this is another example of what I mean by a 'spire' that is an important piece of the buildings design. In this case it looks so seamless that I can't tell the difference between where the roof ends and the spire begins. Well designed!
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
BuzzStaff
reply 1969 vote 68
 
 
^^agreed. Love the look of Aura, and the "spire" really blends well into the building.
Not sure if it is an actual "spire" or mechanical? But, whatever it is, it works and doesn't make it look like it is "trying" to be the tallest just for the sake of it.
 
 
SHADIA SARRAFI
Buzzer
reply 16 vote 1
 
 
According to official measurements we have First Canadian Place the tallest at 978 ft, Trump Tower at 922 ft, Scotia Bank at 902 ft, and Aura at 874ft! TALLEST Building in the World would be Burj Khalifa in Dubai 2717 ft tall.
 
 
BRIAN PERSAUD
BabbleBee
reply 274 vote 12
 
 
@Marco, rumor is that Trump did a JV with Talon and didn't finance any part of the project other than lend his name and expertise. They went the traditional route to finance that is why the building is being built now despite going on sale early last decade
 
 
RIZ
Buzzer
reply 30 vote 3
 
 
i am going to put my two cents in considering i sold aura and the vp of sales and marketing for canderel. brian, you are incorrect about the financing for aura. we purposely sold the project in the beginning based on two condo corporations because we didn't want purchasers at the bottom of the building waiting over a year for registration. we split it into two condos so the lower 54 floors would register first and 55-75 would register at a later date. financing didn't have anything to do with it. however, you are correct that a project of aura's size is not going to be financed by a single canadian institution. aura was the first project in canada with the largest syndicated construction loan. i can assure that buildings of this magnitude will not be popping up anytime soon in toronto. purely based on the fact that financing projects of this magnitude are too hard to do. hence the fact that Aura will be a landmark when completed.
as for height, it is true that trump is higher. however, a lot of their parking is above grade, they have a huge ballroom area that takes a lot of height, and of course, the first x number of floors are hotel. Aura will be the tallest pure condominium in Canada and one of the tallest in North America.
I get to witness the construction of this project everyday and can't wait for the city to see this building completed. I know I am being biased but because I know all the intricate details of the construction, design, finishes etc., I think it will be one of the nicest condos built in this city by far. The retail itself will be a first in downtown. No condominium in the core will have 150,000 square feet of retail on the first three floors and a another 50,000 square feet below grade. Plus, there is going to be an exciting announcement soon on the retailer coming in to the third floor, the 40,000 sqft, 3rd party gym that is coming in on the 4th floor., plus some other announcements. Stay tuned.
I could go on forever but think this building will be change the landscape of the city when it is completed.
 
 
WOJ
Buzzer
reply 38 vote 1
 
 
Both projects are great: Trump is a high end brand name project like Ritz and Four Seasons, but it is a hotel/condo. While these have the name brand backing and elegance, Aura will be competing with them shortly. Once the building is done, and it is seen and known to be tallest condo in British Empire the status will change. Everything will really depend on how well Canderel finishes the building and how the condo board takes over when building is registered. Also, you have to look at how other hotel/ condo projects started off 1 King West for example. Place was a nightmare to manage and run. Poorly planned and opened way too early. So a great deal depends on how these buildings are managed when completed.
 
 
MARCO DIFOTI
BabbleBee
reply 476 vote 12
 
 
woj said:
...Trump is a high end brand name project like Ritz and Four Seasons, but it is a hotel/condo. While these have the name brand backing and elegance, Aura will be competing with them shortly...

It is very interesting to see you putting the Trump brand on the same level as The Ritz and the Four Seasons.
IMHO, the only brands in Toronto at that level are: The Ritz, Four Seasons, and Shangri-La.
I see the Trump brand being "done", and more of a joke.
 
 
ISHAN GHOSH
NewBee
reply 2
 
 
In my opinion, you are either the tallest or not. Nobody remembers #2, #3 much less #4. On the other hand you can bring some other unique value to the city. For example, the only building that is........ Something that addresses the "do I really care?" factor.
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
BuzzStaff
reply 1969 vote 68
 
 
@Ishan,
So, in your opinion, would Trump or Aura be considered the tallest? IMHO, I think of Aura as taller, just by looking at the visual above.
 
 
AMAR PAL
Buzzer
reply 98 vote 7
 
 
How much were homes at Aura? price/sq foot?
Wondering how this compares to some of Vancouver's tallest residences
 
 
RIZ
Buzzer
reply 30 vote 3
 
 
prices at aura were between $700 per foot and going up to now $1500 per foot for the penthouse floor.
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
BuzzStaff
reply 1969 vote 68
 
 
Amar said:
How much were homes at Aura? price/sq foot?
Wondering how this compares to some of Vancouver's tallest residences

Want to see something awesome? Check out the penthouse at Aura ----> http://blog.buzzbuzzhome.com/2011/03/attn-dignitaries-royalty-and-rich-this.html
 
 
WOJ
Buzzer
reply 38 vote 1
 
 
I got into Aura at 675/ sq ft on uber high floor. Exec suites and that was about a year after it went on sale.
 
 
WOJ
Buzzer
reply 38 vote 1
 
 
I wonder how Shangri la and Trump Tower will resell. I have had 2 clients I had to turn away because no lender will finance the units even with 25-30% down. Tried niche, B lenders, Alt A. Not many people can come up with $1 million hard cash to buy a 650 square foot unit. Especially that some units in Trump are closing around November 1, 2011. :-(
 
 
RIZ
Buzzer
reply 30 vote 3
 
 
try contacting to see if he can do the mortgage for he condo hotel unit:
Alok Chopra
Manager, Residential Mortgages
55 King Street west, 22nd Fl
Toronto, Ontario M5K1A2
Credit Assitant : Joanna Lu
Tel: 4167252974
 
 
WOJ
Buzzer
reply 38 vote 1
 
 
riz is he a broker or td rep? thanks
 
 
RIZ
Buzzer
reply 30 vote 3
 
 
he is a manager of mortgages for td bank. not a broker.
 
 
AMAR PAL
Buzzer
reply 98 vote 7
 
 
I want one
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
BuzzStaff
reply 1969 vote 68
 
 
Holy cow!! Looks like Tridel is going for 75 storeys!!! How tall will that be?!?
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