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MATTHEW SLUTSKY
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Are 8-foot ceilings in condos acceptable? Or, are they a dealbreaker??

Yesterday Andrew La Fluer asked a question on Twitter, regarding the acceptance of 8-foot ceilings. Today he wrote a blog posting on it, here: http://truecondos.com/are-8-foot-ceilings-a-deal-breaker

I, via BuzzBuzzHome, responded that 8-foot ceilings are still acceptable in shallow, wide suites, with floor-to-ceiling windows.

Symmetry Developments responded that the volume of space within a suite is extremely important, and as such you require 9-foot ceilings. The exact quote was "dealbreaker. Volume of space is vitally important."

So, there you have it... what do you think???
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ROY BHANDARI
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Selling a new development with 8ft. Ceiling is like selling it with broadloom throughout, laminate counters and plain white ceramics and cabinetary....only way worse because I can change the flooring, cabinets and counters.
There is a "standard" that people expect, and if it's below that standard then you have to ask questions. That being said, the developments in the city that are selling with 8' ceilings are priced accordingly...so of course there is a price associated with that.
 
 
 
NHINCOMPOOP
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Volume of space is definitely important, especially for a small space, where the feel of a unit is very noticeable. If you ever compare a true loft with super high ceilings to a standard condo with 8' or even 9' ceilings, the space feels airier.
That being said, ceiling height contributes less to a unit's "functionability" than a good layout. Given the choice between a great layout with 8' ceilings or a poor one with 9', I'd choose the better layout every time.
 
 
LISA POOL
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8 foot ceilings in new construction are an absolute deal breaker.
The ONLY way I could argue otherwise is low-income based housing as a method of keeping costs down. As luxuries go, ceiling height is relatively affordable. The caveat being adding height costs less than adding square footage. Square footage requires more foundation and roofing, something ceiling height does not. Ceiling height DOES add more material and often taller doors and windows, but not always.
On the flip side, ceiling heights that are too high are equally problematic. Noise levels increase and feelings of "coziness" decrease.
Dr. Sally Augustin wrote in Psychology Today, Looking Up Ceilings influence us psychologically, Published on July 23, 2010, Meyers-Levy and co-author Rui (Juliet) Zhu, assistant professor of marketing at the Sauder School of Business, University of British Columbia and a Carlson doctoral alum, found that, depending on the situation, ceiling height will benefit or impair consumer responses. The paper “The Influence of Ceiling Height: The Effect of Priming on the Type of Processing People Use,” will be published in the August issue of the Journal of Consumer Research.
“When a person is in a space with a 10-foot ceiling, they will tend to think more freely, more abstractly,” said Meyers-Levy. “They might process more abstract connections between objects in a room, whereas a person in a room with an 8-foot ceiling will be more likely to focus on specifics.”
So, having said all of this, I suppose the real answer is "it depends", but if you want to sell quickly, I still assert low ceilings in new construction is a deal breaker for a majority of buyers. And isn't selling and making some money the reason we build new construction? ROI is based on conversion rates.
 
 
SAMPAN
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9' ceilings is more a bonus to you. that's one of the selling points from the projects. with once more feet height, that definitely make the suite feel more roomy. but that won't really break the deal. if the location of the condo, direction of the unit, layout (mentioned early) and price is good, 9' or not won't make a lot of difference.
i like andrew's prediction on future projects with more 9' ceilings in heights.
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
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I have a new saying, "8 is great".
Of course, 9 is divine.
Again, with the right layout, 8 is great. I have no proof other than my own condo suite, which feels like 9-foot plus ceilings..
 
 
LISA POOL
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I have ten foot ceilings on my first floor and nine on the second. Doorways are 7' cased openings that tall people grump about. just can't please people. and if it makes you feel better, my home is 90 years old and I am the second owner. I love it, but I have it up for sale.
 
 
CARMEN DRAGOMIR
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8' ceilings are ok only in large spaces, if you think how small some bedrooms are an 8' ceiling will make it feel like you're trapped.
It is a personal relation between the height of your space and You, how do very tall people feel in a Mini? that's how you may feel in a space with low ceilings :)
I would say that for new construction 9' ceilings are a must, especially as there are no clean 9' ceilings, there are many bulkheads due to the exhaust ductwork from bathrooms and kitchens and sometimes you're left with just a small portion of 9' ceiling and bulkheads at 8'. Or think about limitations when choosing dining light fixtures or pendants over the kitchen island.
Every 9' condo space has so much more design potential. Whether the design is traditional or contemporary, if you buy a small unit or long& narrow, 9' ceilings will be very helpful. The overall volume, the amount of natural light, the window's size are all important for the open concept condos.
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
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Carmen said:
8' ceilings are ok only in large spaces, if you think how small some bedrooms are an 8' ceiling will make it feel like you're trapped.

YES! Carmen, interior designer extraordinaire, you just made by day!
 
 
CARMEN DRAGOMIR
Buzzer
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thanks Matthew :) and if I may add a quick advice- if you have to buy an 8' ceiling due to various factors (location, layout, size etc) at least consider upgrading to a flat ceiling because the stipple finish is just not helping. A flat ceiling on the other hand will reflect light and will look cleaner. I have recently worked with a client who has a 10'x11' bedroom, 8' ceiling and 2 bulkheads at 7' ! a flat ceiling made a huge difference in the overall perception of the room.
 
 
MATTHEW SLUTSKY
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^^ Oh god! Couldn't agree more!! Popcorn ceilings is a major dealbreaker to me anywhere, no matter the ceiling height. Yuk!
 
 
CLIFFORD
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Was looking at a development and just found out it came with 8 foot ceilings.  Deal breaker.  Was surprised that brand new developments are selling with 8ft ceilings.  When 9ft ceilings have come standard for several years now, 8ft just isn't right.  I've lived in 9ft for the last 5 years.  Can't go back to 8.
 
 
JAMES BOMBALES
Buzzer
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I agree with you @clifford. Unless everything else in the suite is perfect, I would avoid a place with 8ft ceilings. 9ft should be standard nowadays IMO.
 
 
JAMIE KINCH
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8' in my books is a deal breaker. Given the number of projects and resale properties that have 9'+ ceilings.

with floor plans getting a smaller, tall ceilings are important to help make these smaller spaces feel bigger. Just did a lease at Madison Avenue Lofts that was around 450 sq.ft., but the ceilings are easily 15'. Making it feel very spacious.
 
 
JUMIE O.
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This is an interesting questionbecause isn't the majority of all homes ( detached, semis and towns ) that were built in Ontario up to and including the early 2000's have 8 ft ceilings so the really " what is the big deal " and all this deal breaker talk, we only acquired better height when builders realized 1 ft gives a POW to the impact when you walk into a space. For hamster style condos and basement yes 8 ft should be a no/no

 
 
ALLEN
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8' ceilings are also a deal breaker for me as well. Once you have lived in a place with 9' ceilings you really appreciate the openness and spacious feel and will not go back. However, I'm currently living in a hard loft with 10' exposed wood ceilings and finding another place with at least a similar ceiling height would be difficult.

There are currently a few new and pre-con condos that actually have ceiling heights that are 8' or 8-1/2' tall (and stippled ceilings). This is either to cut cost to make units more affordable (Plaza does this a lot), or the developer decided to squeeze in extra floors to gain more sellable units by shortening ceiling heights on every floor to make extra floors without affecting the overall building height. Condos that were converted from an old hotel, such as The Britt (former Sutton Place Hotel) and the Yorkville Plaza (former Four Seasons) also have units that have ceilings that are around 8' tall.

Buying pre-con you have no idea how much of the unit has 9' ceiling and where bulkheads and dropped ceilings (typically a foot lower) are located until well after your purchase. However, you could add lighting fixtures into a bulkhead or dropped ceiling whereas typical ceilings (concrete or drywall veneered) it's impossible to add electrical after construction. I am a strong believer in investing lighting as it will greatly improve the space and make it look like a million dollars. Most condos have minimal lighting fixtures  and most purchasers do not spend the money to upgrade or add more electrical which I think is a big mistake.

 
 
CLIFFORD
Buzzer
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My loft has 9 ft ceilings.  But when I measured them.  They came out to 8 ft 8 inches.
 
 
JEFF KEE
NewBee
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While the extra height doesn't add usable volume, I'd say the feel & look of it matters quite a bit, especially if it's a newer home intended to look & feel spacious. Looks & external factors do matter, not just practicality.
 
 
JAMES BOMBALES
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@Jeff Kee I find that extra foot adds a lot to the look and overall feel. I would also upgrade the height of the door jams to complete the look (if not already included in the upgrade price).
 
 
CLIFFORD
Buzzer
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I wonder what the price difference is between 8 and 9 foot units.  Also, the rate of sales between 8ft and 9ft units.
 
 
GLENN
Buzzer
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As a kitchen installer, I say the higher the ceilings the longer the cabinets. A standard cabinet we all know is a two hinge 30" but higher ceilings and no bulkheads allows for a 3 hinge door at 39" or even better 42" upper cabinets plus you can still up grade with crown! The higher cabinets give you an extra ( aprox. 1 sq ft) of storage behind each door for very minimal costs.
 
 
VESPERKAN
NewBee
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Houses are mostly 8 ft ceilings as standard.. but they're also a lot bigger than a condo unit. 9 foot ceilings are always an asset if you an get it.
 
 
 
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